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By vanillapuff
#789493
Mislim, znam i za kontext about baby_girl,

A ZNAMMMMMMMM I ZA OVAJ POSSTTTTTT......................................................................... :blush:
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By Hys.
#789495
znam da znas, maj femme sistaah' :lol:
evo jos nekih:
isto femica cica:D:
I crave feeling like I will give everything ... no reservations ... absolute trust.

I crave luxuriating into a long beating with a thumpy whip which builds slowly enough to be only pleasure, and peaks leaving me spent and satisfied.
:bale:
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By Hys.
#789498
evo nekoliko na jednom mestu:
/od raznih postova/

I crave....
....for my opinions to be heard even when they dont get to count.
.....to hear someone ask "does it hurt?" and when I say "Yes" to know they are not going to stop.
....to hear her call me Slut and smile because I know she says it because she loves me.

...submission
...to hear "that's a good baby girl"
...to kneel and to please
...the feel of teeth and hands on my tender skin
...using my hands, my mouth, my body to please

I crave the feeling of her nails trailing down my back, teasing me with the promise of the pain they can cause... I crave her teeth on my neck and shoulders, the red marks against my skin that will show anyone who cares to look that I'm hers...

jedna butch:

The beautiful X she creates standing before me....her hair pulled out of the way...

Her slow rythymic sway .....side to side**....as she feels leather and fur strike her back..again and again..

The hiss as she takes in those quick breaths between clenched teeth ........her head rolling back toward me as I kiss the deepening rouge colored stripes

femme :

I crave....

Her teeth hard against my flesh, deliciously strong body pressed against mine.

To submit to her and know that I please her.

pretty, red, sparkly, hers, around my neck.

Delicous drunkenness as the handcuffs are removed and my entire backside is red and warm from her toys and hands.

touch.

butch:
............to hold the key to the lock around their neck in my pocket
............hearing, seeing, and feeling the drop
............hearing them say "yes Sir" and "I understand Sir"
............hearing them beg and plead, only to be told "not just yet"
............watching their eyes opening wider and the pain register on their faces
............watching the struggle on their face as her limits are pushed, fighting themselves, her doubts, the pain, and their desire to please
............hearing, seeing and feeling the drop
............holding them close and praising them, quieting them afterwards while they shake and come back up
............the look of adoration,surprise, and amazement on their faces when they realize where we went, how they got there, how they did what they thought couldnt be done
...........hearing the growls as they fight their pain limits to take everything Im instructing them to take
...........kissing their tears away tenderly, then making them take more still
...........the TPE
...........my flight over them; directly proportional to their drop
...........the look on their faces when they hear my knife clicking open into the locked position, or hearing the bayonettte being removed from its sheath
...........hearing, seeing, and feeling the drop


*thinking*
did I mention the TPE and hearing, seeing, and feeling them drop?
femme:
kneeling at Hys feet, feeling Hym stroke my hair
the feeling of a hand at my throat
hearing Hym call me "little girl"
bound and gagged....unknowing of whats to come
feeling Hys belt on my back
giving Hym what i cant give anyone else... my submission
someone to call Daddy
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By vanillapuff
#789504
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Dok sam polagano sve iscitala....(vec sam nailazila na butch-femme.com sajtu na ovo, ali nema veze - od viska (ne) boli glava (n)i izvesni drugi delovi tela!!! ;) ) :radosnice:

...otvorismo nepresusnu tematiku...... :sweet: (opet ovaj smajlic, ali sta mogu kad ga voJim toJikooooo!!!!)

:cvetduga:
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By Hys.
#789510
moram da nadjem dobar tekst o babygirl/daddie dinamici, tvoj omiljeni smajli me stalno poCeca na to, mislim i da bi se tu najbolje nasla /dinamika moze da ima elemnte smbd a i ne mora, ali je drugcija od smbd odnosa, prenosi se na svakodnevni zivot sa interesatnim elementima/
sacem probam iskopam nesto zanimljivo
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By vanillapuff
#789515
Hajde, hajde!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sweet: :yay:
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By Hys.
#789524
ovaj post je cini mi se odlican i dobar za svakog bilo da ga zanima dinamika ili ne-govori o opreznosti-
I don't know exactly what I want to say with this, so it may take me a while.

I am a girl. I have a Daddy. Whom I and who s me. Happy we be. & all that sappy stuff.

So it bothers me greatly to read about the abuse & exploitation of this dynamic. It seems directly connected to the way I see the Daddy-girl dynamic bantered about on this site, which often gives me the willies. Especially the single grrls, the ones desperately seeking Daddi. So many of the posts are needy, sad, and...

they also seem dangerous as hell. Sometimes I want to shake my sistahs and say, HEY! Don't you realize that ANYONE can be a cyber daddy? Come into chat and I'll prove it to you: "Sit on my lap babygirl, let Daddy stroke your hair. Good girl, that's nice, yeah, wiggle a little for me, baby...mmhmm..." Anyone can fill in the blanks of your fantasies, type the words, make you feel the rush. A realtime Daddy is a whole different thing.

Believe me, I know how seductive Daddy-ness is. I wish I could say I took all the proper precautions when I met mine, but I did not. We met through hys online personal ad (NOT here), "butch top seeks ..." The ad did not mention Daddy-girl dynamics & I had no experience with it, other than reading some smut. As part of my reply to hys ad, I wrote a couple of paragraphs describing our (imaginary) first meeting, in somewhat erotic terms. Hy wrote back with something like, "Tell me more, babygirl." Because hy'd said "babygirl," in the next installment of the story, I called hym "Daddy." It was that simple, that careless.

When we met in person (almost right away), both of us were looking for just a fuck. I said "Daddy" cuz it made us both hot. But, surprise, we got along too. And we had hit on something deep. We became lovers, boifriend and girlfriend, Daddy and girl. It's been nearly two years.

What can I say; I wasn't smart, I wasn't even looking. I was just pure lucky.

Lucky to find a wonderful Daddy, when I didn't even know that's what I wanted? Of course.

But also: Lucky not to find an abuser. Lucky to find someone who could be responsible for the power of that word, able to step into Daddy-ness with me in a caring, non-manipulative way, and negotiate through it, find out what I really meant and needed. Lucky to meet someone mature enough to stop me when I might have suspended my better judgment for the rush of Daddy's approval. Lucky to meet a responsible grownup, not a kid playing around with a power she didn't understand. Lucky, lucky, hella lucky.

So I look at some of the Daddy-seekers here and I think, Girl, you are asking for a world of hurt. I know they aren't protecting themselves, any more than I did. I should have checked references, had a checklist and negotiations, I should have done things very differently -- but I didn't. Most people won't, I suppose. & of those, many will not be so lucky.

If (goddess forbid) I ever find myself single in that way again, I certainly will take more precautions. But honestly, I don't think I'd be on a Daddy-hunt. I love being a Daddy's girl, but I think it's something that develops between two people, is either present or not. I feel like a lot of girls out there have this fantasy of what a Daddy is, what a Daddy will do for them, how a Daddy will make them feel -- and it isn't something a real person can do. It's a wish to abdicate the responsibility of being a grownup; maybe it's a hole in themselves that they're looking to fill. So it attracts predators & power-trippers, people who want someone who isn't whole? Maybe; just a theory, I don't know.

But I don't think it's as easy as blaming "bad" or "fake" Daddies, either. I think some of us are handing over a HUGE amount of power to another person, who may or may not know how to handle it. I experience my girl-ness, my submissive space, as deeply empowering; it has NOTHING in common with any experience of abuse. It's hard for me to understand how these things can get so confused in others' experience.

Cuz yeah we're girls, but we're grownups too, aren't we? And hey, kids are smart, they have better BS detectors than anyone. Why do so many of us *not* have that screen? Past abuse & trauma must be one factor. A sense of desperation in the search, maybe another. & maybe as women, we're well-trained to give up our power...

I'm left wondering, is there any way to prevent abuse, especially abuse that exploits this precious dynamic? Is there anything that will convince girls that, although Daddy-ness is seductive, we don't have to throw out all our better judgment at the first promise of a Daddy? Is the *need* (and here I'm not talking about sexual desire, but about emotional neediness ... dependence?) for a Daddy a healthy thing, in the first place?
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By Hys.
#789533
How D/g makes me feel: it is that really good smallish feeling. it's not a feeling of a vapid mind or a yes-femme personality. i have a hard time describing it and i'm sure even those outside of a D/g relationship have felt it in the B-f dance that we all share. it makes me feel light and powerful and all kind of happy.


Do I i.d. as "little" in the role of grrl: the short answer is most definately i i.d. as "little." little varies. little could be teen, tween, girly-girl (the other side of my tomboy self) or little could just BE w/o regard to change in ageplay. little like Butch like Femme is in the hips, the stride in the steps, the hands, the lips, it just IS.


What D/g isn't to me: i really, really, really relish the opportunity to say what D/g is not. D/g is once again not about a yes-my-butch persona. it is NOT about being as (hothead paison would say) a "femmebot." i can agree, disagree and if something is clearly amiss i have no qualms in walking away.


one last comment: i couldn't have said it any better than Drew. D/g is the type of relationship that's best entered into carefully due to its multi-fauceted life characteristics. D/g for many is more than about play in the bedroom -- it is their whole dance. it's really important to note that a lot of trust must be properly established in the beginning as both sides in D/g let down their walls to this one person.


What I love most about the D/g dynamic: the fact that you are "in" you can reach your butch on a personal level that others may not have any access to and visa versa. oh and a Daddi's hands.
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By Confucius
#790332
Originally posted by devokICA
Originally posted by baby_girl
ja mislim da su tu dinamiku butchice izmislile da bi lakse dosle do curica :lol:

:pametnicebutchice:
ma 'de pametne, moja omiljena sintagma je "daft butchie" :smeh:
ups...valjda nece neka butch ovo da vidi pa da me kazni :molise:
Daft butchie wil punish you baby girl :yes:
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By Hys.
#790343
Holy shit, I KNEW you were learning serbian secretly :uplasen:

:cvece:
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By Hys.
#790386
Originally posted by kiss addict
BUSTED :lol:
what a pleasent suprise, kiss addict in one of my threads, and for change, not to cut me offtopicing arse :grouphug:
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By Galadriel
#790393
just for the record

in order to avoid similarity with numerous nicks (blabla baby, bigirl, girl this, girl that ) and missintepreted analogies with bf dinamics, in wich I have no interest whatsoever, I'm changing my nick.

btw devokiCA would find a way to put even carrots or sprout in sex context, so :peace:

and leave me out furder discussion :)
Korisnikov avatar
By Hys.
#790404
bejbi znas da nije namerno...:(
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By Confucius
#790406
Originally posted by baby_girl
just for the record

in order to avoid similarity with numerous nicks (blabla baby, bigirl, girl this, girl that ) and missintepreted analogies with bf dinamics, in wich I have no interest whatsoever, I'm changing my nick.

btw devokiCA would find a way to put even carrots or sprout in sex context, so :peace:

and leave me out furder discussion :)
Carrots can be very useful :dancingfever:
Korisnikov avatar
By Galadriel
#790417
Originally posted by devokICA
bejbi znas da nije namerno... :(
halo :moby:

znam :)
By SUNNY B
#791819
Originally posted by devokICA
Originally posted by baby_girl
ja mislim da su tu dinamiku butchice izmislile da bi lakse dosle do curica :lol:

:pametnicebutchice:
ma 'de pametne, moja omiljena sintagma je "daft butchie" :smeh:
ups...valjda nece neka butch ovo da vidi pa da me kazni :molise:

khm, khm! :boxer:
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By m..
#791891
Sta je daft butchie? :retard:
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By Hys.
#791974
daft je british izraz znaci glupav, blesav, a butchie ti je od butch, kao tepanje, izvedenica :)
@sunny-'es vidla kako me zena vec provalila :smeh:
kako je lepo vanila rekla-"nikad ne potcenjuj zenine jezicke /jel to bese lingvisticke :namig2: / sposobnosti"
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By Hys.
#792200
Zanimljiva informativna analiza:

Lesbian Identity
and the Politics of Butch-Femme Roles

http://www.lesbian.org/amy/essays/bf-paper.html

uvod:
One of the fundamental tenets of postmodern theory is that all identities are socially constructed, and that, throughout history, dominant groups have had the power not only to construct their own identities, which they disguise as "innate" or "natural" rather than created, but also to construct the identities of groups the dominant group has a vested interest in marginalizing. The appeal of postmodern theory lies in its method of "deconstructing" the power relationships inherent in constructions of identity so that it becomes possible to articulate a counter-ideology which has as its aim the liberation and de-objectification of marginalized groups. The irony in this is that those most often attracted to and who are in a position to utilize postmodern methodology are themselves members of the dominant group, even if only in terms of level of education, and in the attempt to give voice to those historically silenced and oppressed, they frequently run the risk of re-inscribing oppression along very different lines.
Korisnikov avatar
By m..
#792230
Originally posted by devokICA
daft je british izraz znaci glupav, blesav, a butchie ti je od butch, kao tepanje, izvedenica :)
@sunny-'es vidla kako me zena vec provalila :smeh:
kako je lepo vanila rekla-"nikad ne potcenjuj zenine jezicke /jel to bese lingvisticke :namig2: / sposobnosti"
Kurac, toliko sam znala i sama, nego sam umislila da je to neka od ovih tvojih kategorija...QQ
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By Hys.
#792245
:pucaodsmeha:

pa jes' sama sam kriva:zastava:
Korisnikov avatar
By m..
#792253
Jebiga, zbunjena sam ko kejvmen u japanskoj buvari.
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By Hys.
#793549
tekstic riten baj jorz chruli, devokICA

Butch-Femme identitet i dinamika
Ili
Seciranje igre i borba za legitiman identitet

Lezbejski feminizam, popularan 70-tih i 80-tih godina, uzeo je na sebe da iskoristi postmodernisticku teoriju, koja govori da su svi identiteti drustveno konstruisani i da su kroz istoriju dominatne grupe imale moc da konstruisu ne samo sopstvene identitete vec i da ih „sakriju“ kao prirodne, a ne stvorene. Na taj nacin, te dominatne grupe stvaraju identitete marginalizovanih grupa. Sama premisa je primamljiva, ali lezebjski feminizam, uzevsi na sebe da dekonstruise identite i stavi sebi u zadatak da oslobodi „marginalizovane“ grupe, upao je u zamku-postavsi dominatna grupa koja namece identitete onima koji se nisu identifikaciono uklapali u „viziju“ koju je lezebjski feminizam za njih imao.
Sa pocetkom 60-tih godina, pocinje „oslobodjenje zena“, prve feministicke grupe, koje se bore protiv patrijahalno nasledjenih insitiucija, ponasanja i navika. One ce kasnije evoluirati u pomenuti lezebjski feminizam, koji ce kroz svoju istoriju sve do 90-tih godina uglavnom zaboravljati svoje relativno daleko poreklo-a to je izmedju ostalog i radnicka klasa butch i femme parova, kultura barova i zena koje su prve odbile da budu ono sto je patrijahalno drustvo od njih ocekivalo.
Nasledjeno shvatanje, muskih seksologa i psihijatara, medju njima i Sigmunda Frojda, govorili su o „muskobanjastoj“ zeni koja je prokleta sindromom „inverzije“. Tako da butch zene su percipirane kao zene koje su nesrecom prirode rodjene u zenskom telu i osudjene da „imitiraju“ muskarce. Ova perspektiva, koju su feministkinje uglavnom rado prihvatile, zbog same asocijacije sa patrijahalnim i heteroseksualnim, „velikim zlom“ koje namece svoju monstruoznu sapu na moderne zene, bila je i jos uvek je mnogo pominjana i studirana.
Ukoliko se butch-femme odnos, i identitet, gleda kroz imitiranje heteroseksualnog i patrijahalnog odnosa, sto je lako i zadovoljavajuce na prvi pogled zbog svoje povrsne slicnosti, zaboravlja se primarni postulat oslobodjenja od onoga sto se smatra normativom. Takvo glediste, preuzima onda heteronormativ kao prirodni, i jedini prema kome se ostali ravnaju, i ostali identiteti i seksualni odnosi postaju imitacija, bleda slika onoga sto je „ispravno“. Ukoliko stavimo na stranu i samu ironiju takvog gledista od strane grupe koja tezi oslobodjenju od konstruisanih i nametnutih drustvenih normi-primecujemo i insistiranje na „zeni koja se identifikuje kao zena i na samo jedan nacin je zena“ -javlja se vestacko etiketiranje i postavljanje onoga sto je „ispravno“, zanemarujuci prirodnu seksualnost, rodnost i izbor samih butch i femme osoba. Kritika igranja uloga kao sto smo videli, uglavnom se odnosi na vidjenje da igranje uloga replicira heteroseksualnu strukturu od koga su lezbejke kao slobodne. Ideja da neciji identitet zavisi od takvih uloga se smatra „neprosvetljenim“.
Drugacija perspektiva medjutim govori o tome da lezbejske uloge ne samo da izazivaju konstruisanu prirodu heteroseksualnih uloga, vec su subverzivne za sistem seksualnosti i roda kao celog.
Judith Butler u svom delu "Imitation and Gender Insubordination" (1991), se bavi nacinima kako hetereseksualnost marginalizuje ostale vidove seksualnosti - tako sto sebe postavlja kao originalan i „pravi“ vid seksualnosti. Na taj nacin, svaki rod je imitacija- nesto sto tezi „originalu“, i odnos koji se nekad pojavljuje u gay kulturi je „imitativna parodija heteroseksualnosti“ . Utoliko nema smisla govoriti o butch-femme ulogama koje repliciraju heteroseksualne, jer onda takve uloge ne mogu da se pozivaju na sistem rodnih uloga. Sama premisa da postoji nesto sto je prirodna, psiholoska i osnovna „prava“ rodna esencija, govori o obaveznoj heteroseksualnosti. Na taj nacin, pravi se iluzija pravog i ispravnog identiteta.
Clare Whatling koristeci rad Joan Nestle dalje objasnjava da butch-femme uloge izazivaju heteroseksualne, kao imitacija ali ne u „strejt“ smislu, „vec postoje nezavisno i cak ironicno u odnosu na forme u okviru kojih su jos uvek definisane“.
Ukoliko gledamo ovaj odnos kroz „prirodu“ a ne drustvenu konstruisanost, ili odupiranje onome sto se smatra drustvenim mejnstrimom /ukljucujuci tu i lezbejski feminizam/, ne moze se izbeci cinjenica, da butch i femme identitet (femme identitet koji je mozda i subverzivniji za heteronormativ, posto se radi o ulozi koja naizgled se uklapa u heteronormativ, ali je pored spoljasnje „neprimetljivosti“ u svojoj seksualnoj zelji i opredeljenosti drugaciji sustinski od onoga sto se smatra mejnstrim „zenom“) ne smemo zaboraviti da ova dva identiteta proizilaze pre svega iz posebne seksualnosti, i da je relevatano kao dokaz da je binarna podela roda u najmanju ruku neprimenljiva u mnogo slucajeva.
Zbog binarne podele roda, butch a i femme zene se cesto identifikuju kao nesto „trece“ kao zaseban rod, odbijajuci krutost binarnog sistema i „moranje“ da se identifikuju na odredjeni nacin koji ne upada u kalup onoga sto se smatra „ispravnom lezbejkom“. Tim odbijanjem konstruisanog od dominatnih grupa dozvoljavaju da se prirodni izraz, igra, seksualnost javlja koliko je to moguce oslobodjen od onoga sto se percipira kao „normativ“.

*butch i femme „zena“ je u tekstu koriscen uslovno, zarad jasnoce teksta, i autor apsolutno smatra da rodna identifikacija moze biti drugacija od ove, kao i da polne karakteristike stoje nezavisno od osecaja roda koji osoba moze da ima-ukljucujuci i perpcepciju da rod moze biti jednostavno „butch“, „femme“, „queer“, nezavisno od onoga sto nazivamo „zenskim“ „muskim“. Da navedemo primer: osoba koja je po polnim karakteristikama muskarac, rodno se moze osecati kao zena homoseksualne orjentacije /tjest lezbejka/ . Dalje ta zena u muskom telu moze se osecati distinktivno kao femme, koju privlace iskljucivo butch osobe zenskih polnih karakteristika.

*heteronormativ- pojam koji ukazuje na verovanja koje odredjene drustvene instiucije i drustvene politike namecu-da svi ljudi potpadaju u dve jasne kategorije, musku i zensku, i da svaki pol ima odredjene prirodne uloge u zivotu. Tako, pol, rodni identitet i rodne uloge treba kod svake osobe da budu u korelaciji sa ili sve-muskim ili sve-zenskim normama a heteroseksualnost se smatra jedinom normalnom seksualnom orjentacijom. Oni koji identifikuju heteronormativ i kritikuju ga govore da on stavlja stigmu na alternativne koncepte seksualnosti i roda i cini da odredjeni tipovi individualne ekspresije mogu teze da se ostvare.
By жњ
#793992
jaojjj previse teorije devokice jooooj :vatroslava:
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By Hys.
#793999
Originally posted by жњ
jaojjj previse teorije devokice jooooj :vatroslava:
pa mora sreco, da se narod obrazuje :namig2:
ovako ce samo da me vidu' ko perverznjakusu :pucaodsmeha:
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