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Upravo cuo, nastavak svimanama omijenog fima Lars-a Von Trier-a ove godine ce biti u takmicarskom delu Kanskog festivala.
Iako se utrkava sa Dzarmusom, iskreno se nadam da ce mu Kusturica (kao vodeci u ziriju) dodeliti ove godine trecu zlatnu palmu!
Sta vi mislite?

Rec je o drugom delu trilogije a ne kasicnom nastavku price.

Mislim ipak Džarmuš

ove godine ?e Cannes ugostiti mnoge svetske premijere. eto prvi put da sam stvarno poželeo biti na tom festivalu... btw, ne verujem da ?e Fon Trier dobiti zlatnu palmu ovaj put. veoma sam skepti?an po pitanju nastavka, no vide?emo...

Mislim da Dogville ne sme da ima nastavak!

Idem da vidim sta ima na netu.

Manderlay (2005) ???
Ovo?

"A story of slavery, set in the 1930s American South"

Neka je napravio i film na ovu temu, ali zasto ga referencirati kao nastavak Dogville?!?!?

Originally posted by Mars
Neka je napravio i film na ovu temu, ali zasto ga referencirati kao nastavak Dogville?!?!?

pro?itaj plot outline, cast, time, place... sve se nastavlja na dogaðaje iz malenog Dogvillea.

Ma ja jesam sve to procitao, ali zasto da bude tako?!?!
Zasto Dogville?!?!

Dogville je nestao u plamenu, i svi njegovi stanovnici, nema ga vise! Zar ste svi zaboravili ?!?!? (monolog Katy Bates, Misery)

Postedite me "umetnicke slobode". I "metafora".

koji deo u mom postu nisi razumeo?

Ne razumem von Treiera ponekad, u ovom slucaju.
I slicne genijalce.

A sa razumevanjem tebe i tvojih postova nemam nikakvih problema.

Dogvil je fenomenalan film i stvarno ne vidim sta tu ima da se nastavlja. Ne zato sto su skoro svi mrtvi vec zato sto je sasvim jasna poruka filma i nema vise o cemu da se razglaba. Kome nije jasno, ili kome se ne svidja poruka, neka snimi drugi film ali neka ne skrnavi Dogvil.

Originally posted by ciceron
Dogvil je fenomenalan film i stvarno ne vidim sta tu ima da se nastavlja. Ne zato sto su skoro svi mrtvi vec zato sto je sasvim jasna poruka filma i nema vise o cemu da se razglaba. Kome nije jasno, ili kome se ne svidja poruka, neka snimi drugi film ali neka ne skrnavi Dogvil.

reci to gospodinu Von Trieru. mada nešto mi se ?ini da ti nisi razumeo njega. u svakom slu?aju, film je njegov, pa nek radi šta ho?e. :sceptic:

Naravno da zlo nastavlja da zivi u drugim oblicima i formama.

Nebitno sto su svi mrtvi, to sam pomenuo iskljucivo iz tehnickih razloga, kao najbanalniji razlog protivljenja nastavka filma.

Svi ostali razlozi su, jasno, mnogo vazniji.

Ne znam sta mu je to trebalo, ali sacekacu da vidim film.
Mozda me Lars prijatno iznenadi, uostalom ne bi mu bio prvi put.

kontam da je on to samo kolokvijalno nazvao nastavkom. ako ga je uopšte on nazvao nastavkom... film se zove Manderlay, a mogu?e da ?e biti sniman na isti ili sli?an na?in, i koliko je meni poznato Nicole je opet glavna protagonistkinja. btw, nisu svi umrli, pas je ostao...

Prvo, cemu buduce vreme kad je film vec snimljen...

Drugo, na spisku glumaca ne vidim Nikol. Jedino se glavni lik zove Grace.

I trece, kada sam procitao deo o kontroverznoj sceni smrti magarca-setio sam se da je bilo reci o ovom filmu pre nekoliko meseci. I ama bas niko ga nije povezao sa Dogvilom. Provericu jos.

Dakle ovako.
Do sada sam se raspravljao sa jednim Amerikancem koji tvrdi da ako je nesto trilogija, onda mora da bude - nastavak Koliko ja vidim jedino zajednicko izmedju ova dva filma za sada su nazivi glavnih likova, cak ni glumci nisu isti.

Tako da, meni nece da bude problem da ga pogledam i shvatim kao nezavisan film. Trilogija jeste, nastavak-ne mora da znaci.

Prvi deo Dogville (U)
Drugi Manderlay (S)
I treci Washington (A)

Sta li mu je trebala ova glupost sa slovima, kao da i bez njih stvari nisu jasne...

Manderlay nije nastavak, ve? drugi deo triologije
koja se bavi Amerikom iako je glavni ženski lik opet
Grace. Triologija se zove USA - Land of Opportunities,
i mislim da ?e ovaj film biti nastavak u idejnom smislu,
ali ne i nastavak što se radnje ti?e.
fon Trier je ina?e autor koji, po meni, u svakom svom filmu
napreduje i ne vidim da ?e se to još dugo promeniti.
O?ekujem da ?e ovaj film biti sjajan, jer do sada nam
nije dao razloga da mislimo druga?ije.
Obožavam njegove ranije filmove i iako ima puno ljudi
koji ?e re?i da mu je vrhunac ono što je radio u sklopu Dogme 95
ja mislim da je efekat koji ostavlja isti, samo je u?inio sebe dostupnijim
u narativnom smislu, ne izgubivši na snazi utiska koji ostavlja.
On je po meni, kralj subverzije i jedini, po tom i samo tom kriterijumu, dostojni naslednik Fassbinder-a, koji se
u svoje vreme, jedini do kraja beskompromisno
i hirurški preciznim rezovima suo?avao sa svim:seronjo:
koja su ga okruživala.
Zato bi volela da je Manderlay dobar kao i prethodni filmovi
i da dobije Palmu, a razlog zašto fon Trirov 'obra?un' sa Amerikom
nije mogao da stane u jedan film, nego u triologiju je valjda jasan...

Mada, ja jako volim i Dzarmuša.....ali Kusturicu NE!

Originally posted by Kulturni Jelen
...i mislim da ?e ovaj film biti nastavak u idejnom smislu, ali ne i nastavak što se radnje ti?e.

oh, kona?no razrešenje nesporazuma. ova mi je re? falila...

Izmenio sam!
Nadam se da nece biti novih nejasnoca.
btw, Mars, ovo potvrdjuje moju teoriju da je Grace olicenje zla.
Mislite o tome!
Nove zrtve na novom poligonu.

ne znam....necu da dramim sada dok doticno delo ne odgledam...a onda mogu da budem odusevljen, zgadjen,razocaran ili ravnodusan....ovako unapred i na nevidjeno necu da komentarisem

Originally posted by konstantin laufer
Izmenio sam!
btw, Mars, ovo potvrdjuje moju teoriju da je Grace olicenje zla.
Mislite o tome!
Nove zrtve na novom poligonu.

Izvini, promaklo mi je:sta to potvrdjuje da je Grace olicenje zla? Njeno prisustvo u trilogiji?
Mislis, kao sto je Superman olicenje zla? Ili Captain Ripley?
Mozda Rocky? Izvikani Neo?

Grace u Dogville nije olicenje zla. Amin.

A sto se nastavka tice, to jos ne znamo, zar ne? Premijera jos nije bila.

Kada sam rekao da zlo i dalje zivi, nikako nisam mislio na nju.
Upravo je situacija takva da ce Grace uspesno da nastavi da se obracunava sa Zlom u II i III delu!

a u sto ja ne volim Lars-a. Sve posle Evrope je bilo skoro za bacanje, mozda ne bas za bacanje ali smaranje samo tako.

Originally posted by Mars

Originally posted by konstantin laufer
Izmenio sam!
btw, Mars, ovo potvrdjuje moju teoriju da je Grace olicenje zla.
Mislite o tome!
Nove zrtve na novom poligonu.

Izvini, promaklo mi je:sta to potvrdjuje da je Grace olicenje zla? Njeno prisustvo u trilogiji?
Mislis, kao sto je Superman olicenje zla? Ili Captain Ripley?
Mozda Rocky? Izvikani Neo?

Grace u Dogville nije olicenje zla. Amin.

A sto se nastavka tice, to jos ne znamo, zar ne? Premijera jos nije bila.

Kada sam rekao da zlo i dalje zivi, nikako nisam mislio na nju.
Upravo je situacija takva da ce Grace uspesno da nastavi da se obracunava sa Zlom u II i III delu!

zivi bili pa videli

a jeste gledali trailer? ?uo sam da razbija!

Ja jesam. Sa magaretom.

nastavak dogvilla?
ivica?
...
aha, nastavak trilogije ciji je dogvill deo, jasno...

Ivica je upao neplanirano.
Ali je ipak upao, srecnik.

Danas je premijera. Jedva cekam izvestaje.

Extracts of Dialogues

NARRATOR:
To make sure that everyone understood the democratic principle, the meeting carried out another ballot at Jim's suggestion.
JIM:
I wanna talk about the fact that Sammy being laughing so loud of his own jokes, and they ain't funny, and I been tryin' to get some sleep, and I can't get no sleep, cause he laughs so loud. Maybe perhaps there can a be a time when he can stop his jokes, and stop laughing, so we can get some sleep.
SAMMY:
You can't vote on a man's laughter.
GRACE:
I'm hearing that it's at sundown... at sundown. That's what I'm hearing. So let's do a vote.
(Almost everyone votes for Jim's suggestion).
GRACE:
All right, so that's settled.
SAMMY:
That's democracy?

Pazi kad je pre dve godine 'Slon' Van Santa, dobio palmu, i to od Kuste. Tako da verujem da se ovaj put nece ponoviti. Mislim....

With its minimalist set, Manderlay returns to the stage conventions which were the core of Lars Von Trier's preceding film. However, the new film does not star Nicole Kidman (the heroine of Dogville), but Bryce Dallas Howard, the daughter of filmmaker Ron Howard, discovered in The Village by M. Night Shyamalan. "The idea was to make an initiatory trilogy focusing on Grace's character. At the end of Dogville, she begins to have some power, and says that she will use it to make the world a better place," Von Trier explained. The action in Manderlay takes place in the spring of 1933, on a huge Alabama plantation. Grace is amazed to find that the Whites still treat the Blacks like slaves. Fired by a determination to change the situation, the young woman first has to win the confidence of those whose defense she has assumed.
In town for the presentation in competiton of the second film in his trilogy, Lars Von Trier talked about Manderlay with the press, a conference also attended by actors Isaach de Bankolé, Willem Dafoe, Bryce Dallas Howard and Danny Glover as well as producer Vibeke Windelov.

Lars Von Trier on the theatrical side of the film: "Manderlay has theatrical roots, but it is also cinema. The system of black lines on the white floor, the film unfolds, allowing the spectator to place oneself where he wants. The idea is to portray reality humbly.

Lars Von Trier on why a film about America, a country he has never visited: "This film is very similar to the other films I have made. They are dark, they have some sarcasm in them. America is a good subject because such a big, big part of our lives has to do with America. ...America is kind of sitting on the world, there's no question about it. And therefore I'm making films that have to do with America, because America fills about 60% of my brain. All the words in there, all the things I'veexperienced in my life, about 60% of them - and I'm not very happy about that - is American. So in fact I am American, but I can't go there to vote, I can't change anything because I'm from a small country. And that is why I make films about America. I don't think it's so strange."

Danny Glover on the issues of the film: "That's a very large canvas to talk about. Let's take as an example, the fact that the whole idea of democracy in America was built on the backs of slaves, inconclusive, no question about it. The idea of capitalism on the eve of the industrialization is built on the backs of slavery. So all the articles of freedom and democracy come out of that particular context and they remain so.
Lar Von Trier's film takes place within a particular period in the industrial relation and the expansion of capital within the United States. Those are real dualities; at a time that racism - the lynching of Black men, the conscription of Black men into forced labor - was still a major part of the labor pool in the South.
So in that sense if we want to ask questions about what he sees within this reality. The question is that he has brought up these issues and asked us to revisit these issues. And these issues are not purely indigenous to the USA. This film has the courage to bring those questions up and to deal with those questions within a framework that should be comfortable to us as artists, because the realm of our whole existence is our imagination as artists."

Bryce on working with Lars, and following on the heels of Nicole Kidman: "I would amputate my toes to work with Lars again and that's not really an exaggeration, honestly. As far as filling Nicole's shoes, this is really a different side of Grace. If I felt at any point that I had to take over for her, I would have felt crippled, honestly, because she is an actress of such extraordinary talent. To merely survive that, I really had to look at it as she had played a role in the first film of the trilogy and I was playing a role in the second trilogy. I didn't try to do any kind of mimicry."


Izvor: Cannes Film Festival the Official Website