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Sportska takmicenja i transseksualci

Poslato: 09 Avg 2007, 19:58
od Andre87
Primetim da nijedna tema ne pokriva problem transseksualaca sportista.
E sad...Surfajuci po netu naisao sam na podatak da je od 2003. transseksualcima dozvoljeno da ucestvuju na Olimpijadi (mtf u zenskoj kategoriji,ftm u muskoj). Da bi se takmicili potrebno je da obave sve operacije vezane za promenu pola kao i da su na hormonima dovoljno dugo da bi "izgubili eventualne prednosti suprotnog pola"..
Sumnja jos uvek postoji,neki tvrde da ce mtf devojke imati prednost nad drugim zenama zbog visine i veceg kapaciteta pluca...sto im moze pomoci u recimo kosarci itd.

Pre ove odluke,sprovodila su se ginekoloska i genetska testiranja(Barovo telo,SRY gen,...) nad takmicarima.

Moje pitanje je..da li postoji diskriminacija u sportu kod nas?Znam da je post-op trans populacija mala ovde u Srbiji..i verovatno necu dobiti odgovor zasnovan na iskustvima..zanima me vase misljenje.


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Poslato: 10 Avg 2007, 16:27
od Andre87
Imam nekoliko pitanja. Tipa su "homework questions".Na drugom forumu niko nije znao odgovor,ili nije hteo da kaze. Stavio sam + pored odgovora za koji mislim da je tacan. Rizikujem da se izblamiram but don't care...zelim da naucim

1. Why might THE BARR BODY TEST (for two X chromosomes) be a poor choice, in that it would exclude genuine female competitors?
-The Barr body test would not rule out XY men
-The Barr body test would exclude women who are XY for any reason +
-The Barr body test would only exclude androgen-insensitive women
-The Barr body test would exclude women who are XX

2.Why might THE SRY TEST (for the presence of SRY) be a poor choice, in that it would exclude genuine female competitors?
-The SRY test is too difficult to perform
-The SRY test would exclude XX women from competing as female
-The SYR test would exclude women from competition who are XY with non-functional SRY +
-The SRY test would allow any male to be test as if female

3.Why might A TEST THAT MEASURES TESTOSTERONE be a poor choice, in that it would exclude genuine female competitors?
-All XY women would be excluded unfairly
-Only XY women with missing or non-functional SRY would be excluded
-Only XY women with insensitive or defective androgen receptors would be excluded +
-All women would be excluded from competing since women make very little testosterone

4.In what way did Olympic rules change between 2000 and 2004? (ovo zaista ne znam)
-In 2004, gender verification tests were abandoned. + (nasao 2003.)
-In 2000, gender verification tests were abandoned.
-In 2000, female athletes were subjected to SRY tests to prove they were female.
-In 2004, gender verification tests were reinstated and these now pertained to transsexuals as well as women.

5.Why would it be reasonable for a transsexual who is NOW female and whose body is not making or receiving testosterone, to be able to compete in competitions of strength as a woman?
-Because she is at a disadvanatage to compete against women with two X chromosomes
-Because she does not have male genitalia any longer
-Because her frame (skeletal size) has become feminized due to the long absence of testosterone.
-Because her muscles have become feminized due to the long absence of testosterone. +

Poslato: 10 Avg 2007, 19:22
od jukie
1. Why might THE BARR BODY TEST (for two X chromosomes) be a poor choice, in that it would exclude genuine female competitors?
-The Barr body test would not rule out XY men
-The Barr body test would exclude women who are XY for any reason +
-The Barr body test would only exclude androgen-insensitive women
-The Barr body test would exclude women who are XX

Pitanja su ti uglavnom zanimljiva, i trik pitalice. Recimo, ne znam šta tačno meri BARR test, jer znam za mnogo testova za razne stvari koji ne mere da nečeg ima nego da suprotne stvari nema. Očigledno je da prvi i četvrti odgovor nisu tačni, jer su muškarci uglavnom xy a žene xx, pa nijedan test ne bi ni nastao koji bi rutinski nazivao xy zenama i obrnuto. Tako da u suštini ostaje samo ovo pod 2 što si i stavio +

2.Why might THE SRY TEST (for the presence of SRY) be a poor choice, in that it would exclude genuine female competitors?
-The SRY test is too difficult to perform
-The SRY test would exclude XX women from competing as female
-The SYR test would exclude women from competition who are XY with non-functional SRY +
-The SRY test would allow any male to be test as if female

Ne znam šta je SRY:


3.Why might A TEST THAT MEASURES TESTOSTERONE be a poor choice, in that it would exclude genuine female competitors?
-All XY women would be excluded unfairly
-Only XY women with missing or non-functional SRY would be excluded
-Only XY women with insensitive or defective androgen receptors would be excluded +
-All women would be excluded from competing since women make very little testosterone

Opet ne znam šta je SRY, ali mi se čini da je to 2 tačan odgovor, čisto logički gledano... Opet nisam siguran kako tačno test radi, npr. ako se posmatraju ti androgeni receptori onda je treće možda tačno, ali ako se samo gleda količina u krvnoj plazmi, svako ko ima viška testosterona u plazmi bio bi diskvalifikovan, bez obzira na prisustvo receptora. Prvo ne može da bude tačno, jer XY women nemaju toliku količinu testosterona koja bi "okinula okidač" testa. Četvrti odgovor je trik, pošto test ne želi da odredi ko nema testosteron, nego ko ga ima u ženskom takmičenju.

4.In what way did Olympic rules change between 2000 and 2004? (ovo zaista ne znam)
-In 2004, gender verification tests were abandoned. + (nasao 2003.)
-In 2000, gender verification tests were abandoned.
-In 2000, female athletes were subjected to SRY tests to prove they were female.
-In 2004, gender verification tests were reinstated and these now pertained to transsexuals as well as women.

Ko zna?

5.Why would it be reasonable for a transsexual who is NOW female and whose body is not making or receiving testosterone, to be able to compete in competitions of strength as a woman?
-Because she is at a disadvanatage to compete against women with two X chromosomes
-Because she does not have male genitalia any longer
-Because her frame (skeletal size) has become feminized due to the long absence of testosterone.
-Because her muscles have become feminized due to the long absence of testosterone. +

Prvo ponuđeno je naravno moša, dok se o drugom može diskutovati sa čovekom iz naroda... zavisi od zakona. Četvrto jeste najbolje, ali ne znam šta se tačno dešava sa kostima - muškarci imaju deblje kosti u proseku jer imaju manje sala (sem na trbi) pa te kosti moraju da ih drže.

Re: Sportska takmicenja i transseksualci

Poslato: 29 Avg 2017, 18:56
od Andre87
dizem temu.

http://www.olympicchannel.com/en/playba ... f07%2f2017

EP 4. Meet the transgender swim star who’s earned a spot on the men’s team
Duration: 14 mins
The inspiring journey of five transgender athletes and how sport helped them find their true identity.
Schuyler Bailar is a decorated swimmer who was recruited to Harvard as a female, but has found peace after transitioning to a male.