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By Srklet
#1766435 ... er.html?hp

Sudeći po četverostraničnoj osmrtnici, u New York Timesu su to imali unaprijed napisano. :D
Što nije iznenađujuće, s obzirom da je dotični umro u 91. godini.

So anyway, jeste li čitali "Lovca u raži"? Ostalo? Ima li danas Holden Caulfield takvu magnetsku privlačnost na mlade, ali ne i glupe čitatelje kao što je nekoć imao?

Discuss. :redaljka:
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By ns.happy
ako nekom treba ''lovac...'' u digitalnom obliku... u2u...
inace, god bless him.
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By CokoladnaBananica
rip, bas sam skoro guglao da vidim da nije umro jer sam znao da je nesto mnogo star. Pokoj mu.
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By Tungi

Citao Lovca i Franny i Zoey.
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By Mahoney
Perfektan dan za banana ribe...

cesto citam "lovac u zitu" i mnogo mi je znacio taj roman.

zao mi je.

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By deželaš
Samo Perfektan dan... i još neke priče.

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By Orlando the Lady
Mene je nekako vise radio Fante, ali sam Selindzera citala, cini mi se- u pravo vreme.
Zao mi je, ali... pa, covek je nekako imao 91 godinu. Pavic je imao 80 pa nije dobio temu.:sarana:
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By hlaefdige
Pa...nije je niko otvorio, a?....u smilslu...niko - niko od NAS.....

mnogo ga volim.... cak "lovca" najmanje...mnogo vise volim da citam freni i zui, simora, za esme.....cesto poklanjam te druge knjige
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By bas bleu
raise high the roof beam, carpenters. like ares comes the bridegroom, taller far than a tall man


j. d. salinger
the heart of a broken story

every day justin horgenschlag, thirty-dollar-a-week printer’s assistant, saw at close quarters approximately sixty women whom he had never seen before. thus in the few years he had lived in new york, horgenschlag had seen at close quarters about 75,120 different women. of these 75,120 women, roughly 25,000 were under thirty years of age and over fifteen years of age. of the 25,000 only 5,000 weighed between one hundred five and one hundred twenty-five pounds. of these 5,000 only 1,000 were not ugly. only 500 were reasonably attractive; only 100 of these were quite attractive; only 25 could have inspired a long, slow whistle. and with only 1 did horgenschlag fall in love at first sight.
now, there are two kinds of femme fatale. there is the femme fatale who is a femme fatale in every sense of the word, and there is the femme fatale who is not a femme fatale in every sense of the word.
her name was shirley lester. she was twenty years old (eleven years younger than horgenschlag), was five-foot-four (bringing her head to the level of horgenschlag’s eyes), weighed 117 pounds (light as a feather to carry). shirley was a stenographer, lived with and supported her mother, agnes lester, an old nelson eddy fan. in reference to shirley’s looks people often put it this way: “shirley’s as pretty as a picture.”
and in the third avenue bus early one morning, horgenschlag stood over shirley lester, and was a dead duck. all because shirley’s mouth was open in a peculiar way. shirley was reading a cosmetic advertisement in the wall panel of the bus; and when shirley read, shirley relaxed slightly at the jaw. and in that short moment while shirley’s mouth was open, lips were parted, shirley was probably the most fatal one in all manhattan. horgenschlag saw in her a positive cure-all for a gigantic monster of loneliness which had been stalking around his heart since he had come to new york. oh, the agony of it! the agony of standing over shirley lester and not being able to bend down and kiss shirley’s parted lips. the inexpressible agony of it!
* * *
that was the beginning of the story i started to write for collier’s. i was going to write a lovely tender boy-meets-girl story. what could be finer, i thought. the world needs boy-meets-girl stories. but to write one, unfortunately, the writer must go about the business of having the boy meet the girl. i couldn’t do it with this one. not and have it make sense. i couldn’t get horgenschlag and shirley together properly. and here are the reasons:
certainly it was impossible for horgenschlag to bend over and say in all sincerity:
“i beg your pardon. i love you very much. i’m nuts about you. i know it. i could love you all my life. i’m a printer’s assistant and i make thirty dollars a week. gosh, how i love you. are you busy tonight?”
this horgenschlag may be a goof, but not that big a goof. he may have been born yesterday, but not today. you can’t expect collier’s readers to swallow that kind of bilge. a nickel’s a nickel, after all.
i couldn’t, of course, all of a sudden give horgenschlag a suave serum, mixed from william powell’s old cigarette case and fred astaire’s old top hat.
“please don’t misunderstand me, miss. i’m a magazine illustrator. my card. i’d like to sketch you more than i’ve ever wanted to sketch anyone in my life. perhaps such an undertaking would be to a mutual advantage. may i telephone you this evening, or in the very near future? (short, debonair laugh.) i hope i don’t sound too desperate. (another one.) i suppose i am, really.”
oh, boy. those lines delivered with a weary, yet gay, yet reckless smile. if only horgenschlag had delivered them. shirley, of course, was an old nelson eddy fan herself, and an active member of the keystone circulating library.
maybe you’re beginning to see what i was up against.
true, horgenschlag might have said the following:
“excuse me, but aren’t you wilma pritchard?”
to which shirley would have replied coldly, and seeking a neutral point on the other side of the bus:
“that’s funny,” horgenschlag could have gone on, “i was willing to swear you were wilma pritchard. uh. you don’t by any chance come from seattle?”
“no.”—more ice where that came from.
“seattle’s my home town.”
neutral point.
“great little town, seattle. i mean it’s really a great little town. i’ve only been here—i mean in new york—four years. i’m a printer’s assistant. justin horgenschlag is my name.”
“i’m really not inter-ested.”
oh, horgenschlag wouldn’t have got anywhere with that kind of line. he had neither the looks, personality, or good clothes to gain shirley’s interest under the circumstances. he didn’t have a chance. and, as i said before, to write a really good boy-meets-girl story it’s wise to have the boy meet the girl.
maybe horgenschlag might have fainted, and in doing so grabbed for support: the support being shirley’s ankle. he could have torn the stocking that way, or succeeded in ornamenting it with a fine long run. people would have made room for the stricken horgenschlag, and he would have got to his feet, mumbling: “i’m all right, thanks,” then, “oh, say! i’m terribly sorry, miss. i’ve torn your stocking. you must let me pay for it. i’m short of cash right now, but just give me your address.”
shirley wouldn’t have given him her address. she just would have become embarrassed and inarticulate. “it’s all right,” she would have said, wishing horgenschlag hadn’t been born. and besides, the whole idea is illogical. horgenschlag, a seattle boy, wouldn’t have dreamed of clutching at shirley’s ankle. not in the third avenue bus.
but what is more logical is the possibility that horgenschlag might have got desperate. there are still a few men who love desperately. maybe horgenschlag was one. he might have snatched shirley’s handbag and run with it toward the rear exit door. shirley would have screamed. men would have heard her, and remembered the alamo or something. horgenschlag’s flight, let’s say, is now arrested. the bus is stopped. patrolman wilson, who hasn’t made a good arrest in a long time, reports on the scene. what’s going on here? officer, this man tried to steal my purse.
horgenschlag is hauled into court. shirley, of course, must attend session. they both give their addresses; thereby horgenschlag is informed of the location of shirley’s divine abode.
judge perkins, who can’t even get a good, really good cup of coffee in his own house, sentences horgenschlag to a year in jail. shirley bites her lip, but horgenschlag is marched away.
in prison, horgenschlag writes the following letter to shirley lester:
“dear miss lester:
“i did not really mean to steal your purse. i just took it because i love you. you see i only wanted to get to know you. will you please write me a letter sometime when you get the time? it gets pretty lonely here and i love you very much and maybe even you would come to see me some time if you get the time.
your friend,
justin horgenschlag”
shirley shows the letter to all her friends. they say, “ah, it’s cute, shirley.” shirley agrees that it’s kind of cute in a way. maybe she’ll answer it. “yes! answer it. give’m a break. what’ve ya got t’lose?” so shirley answers horgenschlag’s letter.
“dear mr. horgenschlag:
“i received your letter and really feel very sorry about what has happened. unfortunately there is very little we can do about it at this time, but i do feel abominable concerning the turn of events. however, your sentence is a short one and soon you will be out. the best of luck to you.
sincerely yours,
shirley lester”
“dear miss lester:
“you will never know how cheered up you made me feel when i received your letter. you should not feel abominable at all. it was all my fault for being so crazy so don’t feel that way at all. we get movies here once a week and it really is not so bad. i am 31 years of age and come from seattle. i have been in new york 4 years and think it is a great town only once in a while you get pretty lonesome. you are the prettiest girl i have ever seen even in seattle. i wish you would come to see me some saturday afternoon during visiting hours 2 to 4 and i will pay your train fare.
your friend,
justin horgenschlag”
shirley would have shown this letter, too, to all her friends. but she would not answer this one. anyone could see that this horgenschlag was a goof. and after all. she had answered the first letter. if she answered this silly letter the thing might drag on for months and everything. she did all she could do for the man. and what a name. horgenschlag.
meanwhile, in prison horgenschlag is having a terrible time, even though they have movies once a week. his cell-mates are snipe morgan and slicer burke, two boys from the back room, who see in horgenschlag’s face a resemblance to a chap in chicago who once ratted on them. they are convinced that ratface ferrero and justin horgenschlag are one and the same person.
“but i’m not ratface ferrero,” horgenschlag tells them.
“don’t gimme that,” says slicer, knocking horgenschlag’s meager food rations to the floor.
“bash his head in,” says snipe.
“i tell ya i’m just here because i stole a girl’s purse on the third avenue bus,” pleads horgenschlag. “only i didn’t really steal it. i fell in love with her, and it was the only way i could get to know her.”
“don’t gimme that,” says slicer.
“bash his head in,” says snipe.
then there is the day when seventeen prisoners try to make an escape. during play period in the recreation yard, slicer burke lures the warden’s niece, eight-year-old lisbeth sue, into his clutches. he puts his eight-by-twelve hands around the child’s waist and holds her up for the warden to see.
“hey, warden!” yells slicer. “open up them gates or it’s curtains for the kid!”
“i’m not afraid, uncle bert!” calls out lisbeth sue.
“put down that child, slicer!” commands the warden, with all the impotence at his command.
but slicer knows he has the warden just where he wants him. seventeen men and a small blonde child walk out the gates. sixteen men and a small blonde child walk out safely. a guard in the high tower thinks he sees a wonderful opportunity to shoot slicer in the head, and thereby destroy the unity of the escaping group. but he misses, and succeeds only in shooting the small man walking nervously behind slicer, killing him instantly.
guess who?
and, thus, my plan to write a boy-meets-girl story for collier’s, a tender, memorable love story, is thwarted by the death of my hero.
now, horgenschlag never would have been among those seventeen desperate men if only he had not been made desperate and panicky by shirley’s failure to answer his second letter. but the fact remains that she did not answer his second letter. she never in a hundred years would have answered it. i can’t alter facts.
and what a shame. what a pity that horgenschlag, in prison, was unable to write the following letter to shirley lester:
“dear miss lester:
“i hope a few lines will not annoy or embarrass you. i’m writing, miss lester, because i’d like you to know that i am not a common thief. i stole your bag, i want you to know, because i fell in love with you the moment i saw you on the bus. i could think of no way to become acquainted with you except by acting rashly—foolishly, to be accurate. but then, one is a fool when one is in love.
“i loved the way your lips were so slightly parted. you represented the answer to everything to me. i haven’t been unhappy since i came to new york four years ago, but neither have i been happy. rather, i can best describe myself as having been one of the thousands of young men in new york who simply exist.
“i came to new york from seattle. i was going to become rich and famous and well-dressed and suave. but in four years i’ve learned that i am not going to become rich and famous and well-dressed and suave. i’m a good printer’s assistant, but that’s all i am. one day the printer got sick, and i had to take his place. what a mess i made of things, miss lester. no one would take my orders. the typesetters just sort of giggled when i would tell them to get to work. and i don’t blame them. i’m a fool when i give orders. i suppose i’m just one of the millions who was never meant to give orders. but i don’t mind anymore. there’s a twenty-three-year-old kid my boss just hired. he’s only twenty-three, and i am thirty-one and have worked at the same place for four years. but i know that one day he will become head printer, and i will be his assistant. but i don’t mind knowing this anymore.
“loving you is the important thing, miss lester. there are some people who think love is sex and marriage and six o’clock-kisses and children, and perhaps it is, miss lester. but do you know what i think? i think love is a touch and yet not a touch.
“i suppose it’s important to a woman that other people think of her as the wife of a man who is either rich, handsome, witty or popular. i’m not even popular. i’m not even hated. i’m just—i’m just—justin horgenschlag. i never make people gay, sad, angry, or even disgusted. i think people regard me as a nice guy, but that’s all.
“when i was a child no one pointed me out as being cute or bright or good-looking. if they had to say something they said i had sturdy little legs.
“i don’t expect an answer to this letter, miss lester. i would like an answer more than anything else in the world, but truthfully i don’t expect one. i merely wanted you to know the truth. if my love for you has only led me to a new and great sorrow, only i am to blame.
“perhaps one day you will understand and forgive your blundering admirer,
justin horgenschlag”
such a letter would be no more unlikely than the following:
“dear mr. horgenschlag:
“i got your letter and loved it. i feel guilty and miserable that events have taken the turn they have. if only you had spoken to me instead of taking my purse! but then, i suppose i should have turned the conversational chill on you.
“it’s lunch hour at the office, and i’m alone here writing to you. i felt that i wanted to be alone today at lunch hour. i felt that if i had to go have lunch with the girls at the automat and they jabbered through the meal as usual, i’d suddenly scream.
“i don’t care if you’re not a success, or that you’re not handsome, or rich, or famous or suave. once upon a time i would have cared. when i was in high school i was always in love with the joe glamor boys. donald nicolson, the boy who walked in the rain and knew all shakespeare’s sonnets backwards. bob lacey, the handsome gink who could shoot a basket from the middle of the floor, with the score tied and the chukker almost over. harry miller, who was so shy and had such nice, durable brown eyes.
“but that crazy part of my life is over.
“the people in your office who giggled when you gave them orders are on my black list. i hate them as i’ve never hated anybody.
“you saw me when i had all my make-up on. without it, believe me, i’m no raving beauty. please write me when you’re allowed to have visitors. i’d like you to take a second look at me. i’d like to be sure that you didn’t catch me at a phony best.
“oh, how i wish you’d told the judge why you stole my purse! we might be together and able to talk over all the many things i think we have in common.
“please let me know when i may come to see you.
yours sincerely,
shirley lester”
but justin horgenschlag never got to know shirley lester. she got off at fifty-sixth street, and he got off at thirty-second street. that night shirley lester went to the movies with howard lawrence with whom she was in love. howard thought shirley was a darn good sport, but that was as far as it went. and justin horgenschlag that night stayed home and listened to the lux toilet soap radio play. he thought about shirley all night, all the next day, and very often during that month. then all of a sudden he was introduced to doris hillman who was beginning to be afraid she wasn’t going to get a husband. and then before justin horgenschlag knew it, doris hillman and things were filing away shirley lester in the back of his mind. and shirley lester, the thought of her, no longer was available.
and that’s why i never wrote a boy-meets-girl story for collier’s. in a boy-meets-girl story the boy should always meet the girl.
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By Marvin
Meni je Lovac u žitu skroz bio :neznam:

Ali Freni i Zui!!!
Mind blowing! :hail2:
Mislim da nikad nisam skakao i mlatarao rukama pored knjige kao na razgovor Zuija i Bets u kupatilu.
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By maka
pamticu ga po knjizi Lovac u zitu,iako ostala dela nisam stigla da procitam,a cujem da ima dobrih.

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By hlaefdige
Originally posted by Marvin

Meni je Lovac u žitu skroz bio :neznam:

Ali Freni i Zui!!!
Mind blowing! :hail2:
Mislim da nikad nisam skakao i mlatarao rukama pored knjige kao na razgovor Zuija i Bets u kupatilu.
i so love you right now!
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By hlaefdige
"Let's just try to have a marvelous time this weekend. I mean not try to analyze everything to death for once, if possible. Especially me. I love you."
- J.D. Salinger, Franny and Zooey
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By E.c.h.o...
Neka mu je laka zemlja.


“Among other things, you'll find that you're not the first person who was ever confused and frightened and even sickened by human behaviour. You're by no means alone on that score, you'll be excited and stimulated to know. Many, many men have been just as troubled morally and spiritually as you are right now. Happily, some of them kept records of their troubles. You'll learn from them—if you want to. Just as some day, if you have something to offer, someone will learn something from you. It's a beautiful reciprocal arrangement. And it isn't education. It's history. It's poetry.”

J. D. Salinger
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By Tungi
Originally posted by Orlando the Lady

Mene je nekako vise radio Fante, ali sam Selindzera citala, cini mi se- u pravo vreme.
Zao mi je, ali... pa, covek je nekako imao 91 godinu. Pavic je imao 80 pa nije dobio temu. :sarana:
Kako nije dobio?Pa bila je tema.

Da.Fante je fenomenalan.:)Upitaj prah:love:
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By zozefin st
procitala sam samo ''Lovac u zitu od njega'' , jedna od najboljih , a uskoro da procitam i ostale, mogu samo reci da je bio originalan covek ...
By Simor
"Džerom Dejvid Selindžer "otac" najpoznatijeg literarnog adolescentnog antiheroja Holdena Kolfilda, junaka romana "Lovac u žitu", preminuo je u 91. godini, a samo nekoliko dana nakon njegove smrti, u američkim medijima vodi se rasprava o njegovoj književnoj zaostavštini. Agencija Asošijeted pres objavila je da je piščev sused u Kornišu, gradu u američkoj državi Nju Hempšir - gde je pisac preminuo 28. januara, Džeri Bart izjavio da mu se Selindžer poverio pre niza godina da ima najmanje 15 neobjavljenih knjiga u kućnom sefu. Na svetlost dana je isplivao i podatak da Univerzitet Teksasa poseduje pet neobjavljenih pripovetki, iz perioda pre nego je Selindžer objavio "Lovca", od koji su dve prava remek dela, ali da je odredio da se ne smeju publikovati 70 godina nakon njegove smrti..."

Dalje >>> ... 71073.html
By Majra Diuna
Pročitala sam od njega sve što stigoh.
Freni i Zui su moj favorit, čitava knjiga, svaka strana, i pre nekoliko meseci sam je ponovo pročitala nakon 5-6 godina i opet me je uvukla u sebe. I podsetila zašto je toliko volim. (A scene u kupatilu me toliko podsećaju na sopstveni dom, i moju majku, da reči nemam.)
Dopadaju mi se i ostale.
A "Lovac u Žitu" je jedina na koju sam ostala nekako ravnodušna.
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By Mars
"I Just Read A Book...For Nothing!!"

Reče ljutito i sa osećajem prevarenosti moj drugar Eric Cartman posle čitanja The Catcher in the Rye. A tako sam se isto i ja osećao.

Smešno je i poražavajuće u isti mah da i dalje ima delova Amerike gde tu knjigu zamuvavaju i pokrivaju drugim knjigama u bibliotekama i knjižarama.
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By horus.
naravno, prvo sam citao lovca (bese to daaaavno) i u tom momentu mi je se jako svideo (bio malko zaljubljen u holdena :kesa: :gubitnik: ) ... ne znam kako bih sada reagovao kada bih uzeo da citam, pa i necu...

simor mi je bio iritantan... :neznam:

visoko podignite krovnu gredu tesari - 'nako... ok...

za esme - svidela mi je se jako... :up:

freni i zui - bas, bas... :love:

a inace, rip... valjda... :shrug:
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By Dark Walker
Lovac u žitu ne gubi svežinu.

Početak romana:
Ako vas zanima sve ovo, verovatno ćete prvo hteti da saznate gde sam rođen, kakvo je bilo moje bezvezno detinjstvo, šta su moji radili pre nego što su me dobili, i još masu takvih gluposti a la David Koperfild, ali nisam baš raspoložen da pričam o tome. Kao prvo, sve mi je to dosadno, a osim toga, moji bi se momentalno oduzeli kad bih rekao išta ličnije o njima. Poprilično su osetljivi u tom pogledu, pogotovo otac. "Dobri" su i sve - ne kažem - ali stravično su osetljivi. Uostalom, ne bih sad da pričam čitavu moju autobiografiju ili nešto. Ispričaću samo ono ludilo kroz koje sam prošao.

Kraj romana:
Žao mi je što sam tolikim ljudima pričao sve to. Znam samo da mi nekako nedostaju svi o kojima sam pričao. Čak i Stredleter i Ekli, na primer. Mislim da mi čak nedostaje i glupi Moris. Čudno je to. Nemojte nikad nikom ništa da pričate. Ako to uradite, odmah će početi da vam nedostaju, svi oni.
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By Dark Walker
Selindžer je nekako umeo da probudi u ljudima zdrav unutrašnji nesklad koji podgreva ushićenost.
Dugo neću ispuštati njegove knjige iz ruku, jer me uče poštenju na vrlo nepošten način. :lol:
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