- 18 Dec 2011, 20:59
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... clav-havel
When, to the surprise of western chancelleries, central Europe changed utterly in the autumn and winter of 1989, it was a stocky Czech dramatist lately released from prison who produced the abiding metaphor for what had happened. In 1947, after Yalta and Potsdam, said Václav Havel, who has died aged 75 after a long illness, the clock of history had been stopped in his half of Europe – and now it had started again. Havel's own career might resemble the very incarnation of that metaphor – of the notion it encapsulates of communism as no more than a bracket in history, a long deviation from the onward march of capitalism's permanent revolution.
The son and grandson of wealthy architect-entrepreneurs, and on his mother's side, grandson of a writer who was an ambassador, then a government minister, the young Havel and his family suffered the discomforts of sequestration and class discrimination when the communists took power in 1948. For a time, his father was imprisoned and the family banished from Prague. Václav had to leave school at 15 and was refused higher education.
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Od svjetskih državnika u svojoj potpori gayevima i lezbijkama naročito su se iskazali bivši brazilski predsjednik Ignacio Lula da Silva te bivši češki predsjednik i veliki pisac Vaclav Havel. Havel je redovito istupao u ime ravnopravnosti gay osoba, novčano i institucionalno pomagao kampanje za ravnopravnost, a također mu je i jedan od najbližih suradnika, glasnogovornik Martin Krafl, bio gay.
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/svijet/13 ... Pride.html
enivej, da ovo ne bude samo jos jedan rip-topic, postavio sam pitanje koje ide uz smrt vaclava havela i sto on simbolicki predstavlja za jugoslaviju odnosno drzave koje su nastale raspadom iste, mogucnost jedne civiliziranije tranzicije bez rata i podivljalog nacionalizma, te privatizacijske pljacke i ekonomskog osiromasenja, o duhovnom da ne govorim.
no, pitam se dakle sto bi bili sa srbijom (ili hrvatskom, what the hell
) da joj je prvi predsjednik 1990. postao recimo mirko kovač? mislim, ne mora konkretno on, njega više spominjem kao paradigmu... može i radomir konstantinović latinka perović 
enivej, time zelim i skrenuti paznju koliko smo ispusili s milosevicem i tudjmanom, dok su neki imali havela.
moze netko napisati i pokoju o havelu kao dramaticaru. ja sam gledao samo jednu predstavu po njegovoj drami, nista nisam citao, nemam sto za reci. ta drama, mislim da se zvala 'audijencija', al nisam siguran no znam da je imala na sceni vojnu kancelariju pr something... lost my train of thought...
so yeah... any thoughts?
When, to the surprise of western chancelleries, central Europe changed utterly in the autumn and winter of 1989, it was a stocky Czech dramatist lately released from prison who produced the abiding metaphor for what had happened. In 1947, after Yalta and Potsdam, said Václav Havel, who has died aged 75 after a long illness, the clock of history had been stopped in his half of Europe – and now it had started again. Havel's own career might resemble the very incarnation of that metaphor – of the notion it encapsulates of communism as no more than a bracket in history, a long deviation from the onward march of capitalism's permanent revolution.
The son and grandson of wealthy architect-entrepreneurs, and on his mother's side, grandson of a writer who was an ambassador, then a government minister, the young Havel and his family suffered the discomforts of sequestration and class discrimination when the communists took power in 1948. For a time, his father was imprisoned and the family banished from Prague. Václav had to leave school at 15 and was refused higher education.
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Od svjetskih državnika u svojoj potpori gayevima i lezbijkama naročito su se iskazali bivši brazilski predsjednik Ignacio Lula da Silva te bivši češki predsjednik i veliki pisac Vaclav Havel. Havel je redovito istupao u ime ravnopravnosti gay osoba, novčano i institucionalno pomagao kampanje za ravnopravnost, a također mu je i jedan od najbližih suradnika, glasnogovornik Martin Krafl, bio gay.
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/svijet/13 ... Pride.html
enivej, da ovo ne bude samo jos jedan rip-topic, postavio sam pitanje koje ide uz smrt vaclava havela i sto on simbolicki predstavlja za jugoslaviju odnosno drzave koje su nastale raspadom iste, mogucnost jedne civiliziranije tranzicije bez rata i podivljalog nacionalizma, te privatizacijske pljacke i ekonomskog osiromasenja, o duhovnom da ne govorim.
no, pitam se dakle sto bi bili sa srbijom (ili hrvatskom, what the hell
) da joj je prvi predsjednik 1990. postao recimo mirko kovač? mislim, ne mora konkretno on, njega više spominjem kao paradigmu... može i radomir konstantinović latinka perović enivej, time zelim i skrenuti paznju koliko smo ispusili s milosevicem i tudjmanom, dok su neki imali havela.
moze netko napisati i pokoju o havelu kao dramaticaru. ja sam gledao samo jednu predstavu po njegovoj drami, nista nisam citao, nemam sto za reci. ta drama, mislim da se zvala 'audijencija', al nisam siguran no znam da je imala na sceni vojnu kancelariju pr something... lost my train of thought...
so yeah... any thoughts?
