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By Vel boy
#2549418
ja se sasvim slažem s whistleblowerom Edward Snowdenom i njegovom savjesnim radom. potpisao sam peticiju zahvale koju je pokrenuo progresivni Roots Action pokret. možeš vidjeti moj potpis. http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action ... n_KEY=8083" target="_blank

ili ćeš tipično ismijati i ovu peticiju.........

međutim, imam problem s senzacionalističkim nadrkavanjima od exYu i inih istočnoevropskih medija koji se natežu da bombastičnim preuveličavanjima stvari na zapadu predstave npr. Obamu kao drugog bush-a.

i, da, bez imalo zezanja i tvog neumjesnog sarkazma Stripi, potpisao sam još jednu, mislim, važniju peticiju https://www.allout.org/en/actions/russi ... Q9MjIwMjY=" target="_blank

ne boj se, ne zovem te da se pridružiš....
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By deran
#2549513
ne slažem se sa uvodom-obama je gori...(atentati,etc)...
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By Stripi
#2549528
[quote="Vel boy[/quote]

međutim, imam problem s senzacionalističkim nadrkavanjima od exYu i inih istočnoevropskih medija koji se natežu da bombastičnim preuveličavanjima stvari na zapadu predstave npr. Obamu kao drugog bush-a.
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Osjetljivo ili ne, nakon ovog otkrića su i europski političari zatečeni gotovo potpunim nedostatkom privatnosti građana na svjetskoj mreži. Tako i njemačka ministrica pravosuđa Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger (Liberalna stranka) traži od njemačke kancelarke Merkel da o tome otvoreno razgovara s američkim predsjednikom Obamom kada on sljedećeg tjedna posjeti Njemačku. Jer, njemačka ministrica nipošto nije zadovoljna niti izjavom američkog predsjednika kako se taj nadzor u prvom redu odnosi na "neamerikance" - niti kako je nemoguće imati "100% sigurnosti i 100% privatnosti".

Isto tako, i europski političari se pitaju, jesu li bili previše popustljivi u strožim propisima o povjerljivosti podataka - koji su, kako podsjeća i Benjamin Bergann, ublaženi u pravilu pod utjecajem lobija naklonjenih američkim internetskim tvrtkama preko kojih se i provodi ovo masovno prisluškivanje.

http://www.dw.de/%C5%A1pijuniranje-inte ... a-16873058" target="_blank
Otkad su Europljani postali ex-yu, zaista mi nije poznato?
i, da, bez imalo zezanja i tvog neumjesnog sarkazma Stripi
Sarkazam uopće nije neumjesan, lajkaš tipa koji imsijava protivljenje neovlaštenom kopanju po mojem inboxu.
A pritom je Putin katastrofa.
To čak nije ni sarkastično.
To je tužno.
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By Vel boy
#2549558
well, ti Europljani, kakvi su da su, imaju više kredibiiteta držati lekcije američkom predsjedniku od senzacionalističkih medija zemalja exYu i/ili većine istočne polovine Europe (čuj, "Obama isti kao bush ili i gori od njega") koje imaju mase antiljudskopravnih stvari u svom društvu za baviti se.
jer, ti Europljani su postupili više kao ja - izrazili jasno nezadovoljstvo onim špijuniranjem, ali bez manije blaćenja i klevetanja Obame, nego kao senzacionalističke medije zemalja exYu i/ili većine istočne polovine Europe (čuj, "Obama isti kao bush ili i gori od njega"). capisci?

ja ne lajkam Obamu u ovom, ali sigurno da ću reći da je manje zlo od onog koji se svakodnevno iživljava nad vlastitom mu gej populacijom.
i, da, nastojim vjerovati Obami da je ono špijuniranje bilo isključivo u cilju sprečavanja terorista, najnovije, tipa, teroristi na bostonskom maratonu - dakle, neka se plaše oni čije su gaće usrane!
sigurno da se to sve ne može izjednačiti ni s bushovim ni putinovim kriminaliziranjem vlastitih im gej građana.

over and out.
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By Stripi
#2549609
Sjećamo se čime su sve Amerikanci bili opterećeni tokom zadnjih 60 godina, od čega su sve bili u iracionalnom strahu i što su sve zbog toga izazvali.
Tako da ne pušim ja te fore.
I jest, nastavljanje politike Georga Busha je isto što i biti kao i George Bush.
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By Vel boy
#2549614
zadnjih 60 godina, znači od 1953-e naovamo... da, uglavnom, hladnoratovštinom, antikomunizmom su bili opterećeni. no, nisam siguran da se to baš sasvim nekako uklapa u specifično ovu temu.....

ONT, nema činjeničnih ukazatelja da Obama radi sve isto što je radio i bush. dakle, nije baš isto.
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By Stripi
#2549621
I sad su opterećeni antiterorizmom, pa će ga riješiti tako što nadgledaju sve žive?
Tako su se riješili i komunizma fabricirajući revolucije, Hooverovim i McCarthyievim istragama, lažnim optužbama i tako koječime. A sve su revolucije izazvane samo zbog nekih interesa i na kraju su im se vratile kao bumerang.
Zato terorizam, nikakvo mrežno špijuniranje neće pomoći.
Osnivanje tisućite agencije koja će pratiti svakog tko se pomakne na Facebooku neće pomoći.
A sve je to i dalje samo nastavljanje politike koju je provodio i George Bush i svi oni prije njega.
Zato nije bolji, nego je isti.
Barack Obama to pokazuje svakim potezom, čast izuzecima.
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By Vel boy
#2549646
pa, neki smatraju i raspad SFRJ tj. osamostaljenje te države u kojoj živiš i radiš, fabriciranjem i izvoženjem revolucija iz istog izvora..... vrati li se to Americi kao bumerang, neki se pitaju.....

ej, složit ćemo se da se nećemo moći složiti u karakteriziranju Obame ovdje, i vozimo dalje.... ^^
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By Stripi
#2549742
Što nije točno jer mi Americi, nakon što je Tito rekao konačno ne Rusima i na tom kursu i ostao, više Americi nismo bili interesantni.
No Južna Amerika i sve zemlje sa resursima koji njima trebaju jesu.
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By Vel boy
#2549876
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2549742#p2549742]Stripi napisao:[/url]Što nije točno jer mi Americi, nakon što je Tito rekao konačno ne Rusima i na tom kursu i ostao, više Americi nismo bili interesantni.
No Južna Amerika i sve zemlje sa resursima koji njima trebaju jesu.
objasni ti to onima koji stalno pričaju da je osamostaljenje Hrvatske i razaranje SFRJ dio paklenog plana Amerike i zapada protiv Rusa, Srba, komunizma i pravoslavlja. ja nisam ti oni, ali su ti oni, nažalost, i dalje u većini ...........
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By Stripi
#2549965
Ma baš ću se ja objašnjavat sa svakom budalom pojedinačno.
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By Laerem
#2550029
Obama je actually gori od Busha, jer je, izuzev gay prava, efektivno ukinuo progresivnu politiku u Americi. A i ono sto je Bush cinio u ilegali, Obama je legalizirao.

Ne zaboravimo i da je direktno naredio ubojstvo 16godišnjeg (američkog) dječaka. I još tko zna koliko ljudi, i to u tajnosti, bez da su žrtve imale ikakav legal recourse.

Od svih gadosti, ovo je zapravo još najbenignije.

S druge strane, tješi me što i dalje postoje ljudi u sistemu sa snažnim moralnim kompasom, poput Bradleya Manninga i Edwarda Snowdena.
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By Stripi
#2550072
Srklet napisao: yep, europska komisija cita tvoje postove ovdje pa onda formira svoje stavove! :facepalm:
Opće ne sumnjam u to.
a tek kad naprednjaci i socijalisti krenu pičit sa demantijima njegovih postova po svim medijima u Srbiji.
Svaki put im izazove napadaje.
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By Vel boy
#2550298
podudaranje stavova i manira savremenih evropskih tijela s mojim stavovima, manirima i djelima, dabome, nema nikakve veze s tim ko koga čita ni sluša (sigurno da savremena evropska tijela ne čitaju moje postove... :lol: tja, samo zajedljiv cinik i :lood: luzer od čovjeka kojem ni podzemna banalizacija pojmova nije strana može odvaliti da čitaju.....), već to podudaranje proizilazi iz sličnog društvenopolitičkog mentaliteta, prije toga, kućnog odgoja, te sličnih principa koje dijelim ja s savremenim evropskim tijelima i obratno.

btw., ONT, kog 16 godišnjeg dječaka je to Obama ubio? samo pitam.
kako je to Obama efektivno ukinuo progresivnu politiku u Americi? samo pitam, jer progresivna politika u Americi is alive and kicking :yes: , upravo pod Obamom. činjenice.
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By Stripi
#2550540
http://www.mediaite.com/online/team-oba ... rican-boy/" target="_blank

Pretpostavljam da je Obama sjebao Ameriku svojim kvazi demokratskim imidžom pa su se svi opustili i pristajali na sve što im je servirao.

Btw. krasno mi je kako se kućni odgoj Vel Boya preklopio sa ponašanjem europskih tijela :sweet:
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By Vel boy
#2555005
to nije sporno, ali bush nije radio ovo
DAKAR, Senegal (AP) — Laying bare a clash of cultures, President Barack Obama on Thursday urged African leaders to extend equal rights to gays and lesbians but was bluntly rebuked by Senegal's president, who said his country "still isn't ready" to decriminalize homosexuality.

Obama opened his weeklong trip to Africa one day after the U.S. Supreme Court expanded federal benefits for married gay couples. In his first in-person comments on the ruling, Obama said the court's decision marked a "proud day for America." He pressed for similar recognition for gays in Africa, wading into a sensitive area in a region where dozens of countries outlaw homosexuality and a few punish violations with death.

"When it comes to how the state treats people, how the law treats people, I believe that everybody has to be treated equally," Obama said during a news conference with Senegalese President Macky Sall at the grand presidential palace in Dakar.

But Sall gave no ground. Senegal is "very tolerant," he assured Obama, but is "still not ready to decriminalize homosexuality." Sall said countries make decisions on complex issues in their own time, noting that Senegal has outlawed capital punishment while other countries have not — a pointed jab at the U.S., where the death penalty is legal in many states.

Obama's trip, which also includes stops in South Africa and Tanzania, marks the most extensive visit to Africa by the first black U.S. president since he took office. Many Africans have expressed disappointment over Obama's lack of direct engagement with affairs on their continent — particularly given that his father was Kenyan and he has many relatives living in Africa — yet he was still enthusiastically welcomed.

Thousands of people gathered on the roadways near the presidential palace as Obama's motorcade sped through the coastal city, many in the crowds wearing white to symbolize peace. Some waved homemade signs welcoming Obama, while those gathered near the palace entrance sang and played drums, the rhythmic beats audible from inside the gates.

At Goree Island, the former slave trading post Obama visited later Thursday, local residents waited under scorching sun for hours to catch a glimpse of the president. They sang a song about his return to his ancestral homeland and broke into jubilant cheers as Obama and first lady Michelle Obama walked over to shake hands.

Looming over the festive atmosphere were concerns over former South African leader Nelson Mandela. Obama is due to arrive in South Africa on Friday, though Mandela's precarious condition adds some uncertainty to the agenda.

Obama spoke reverently about the impact that Mandela's struggle against apartheid had on his own activism, as well as about the 94-year-old's influence in Africa and around the world.

"If and when he passes from this place, one thing I think we'll all know is that his legacy is one that will linger on throughout the ages," said Obama, who has sometimes been linked to Mandela given their shared status as their nations' first black presidents.

Mandela's democratic influence in Africa is at the core of Obama's trip. The three countries he will visit were selected as a signal of U.S. support for African nations that have embraced democracy in a region where the legacy of corruption and authoritarianism have been difficult to overcome.

Sall, for example, won the presidency in Senegal last year by ousting an incumbent president who attempted to change the constitution to make it easier for him to be re-elected and for his son to succeed him.

Africa's democratic movements have not been accompanied in most places by equal rights for gays and lesbians. A report Monday by Amnesty International said 38 African countries criminalize homosexuality. In four of those — Mauritania, northern Nigeria, southern Somalia and Sudan — the punishment is death.

Discrimination against gays is the norm. In Uganda, evictions of homosexuals by landlords occur regularly, says the Amnesty report. Vigilante groups in several countries have posted the names of homosexuals online or denounced them on the radio, forcing them to go into hiding to avoid mob violence. In Senegal, suspected homosexuals who were buried in Muslim cemeteries were disinterred in several towns and villages, and their corpses were dragged through the streets.

On another subject, Obama was pressed in his news conference about the status of former government contractor Edward Snowden, who has acknowledged leaking highly classified documents detailing sweeping U.S. government surveillance programs. The Chinese government let Snowden leave Hong Kong, where he had been hiding, to travel to Russia, where he is now believed to be holed up in the transit zone at Moscow's airport.

Obama dismissed the notion of deploying U.S. military resources to detain Snowden, saying "I'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker."

On still another topic, the president had harsh words for the Supreme Court on its ruling this week that overturned key elements of the Voting Rights Act. Obama declared the decision "a mistake."

"I might not be here as president had it not been for those who courageously helped to pass the Voting Rights Act," Obama said.

The president is being accompanied throughout his trip by wife, daughters Malia and Sasha, and mother-in-law Marian Robinson. Following the president's meetings with Sall, the family boarded a ferry bound for Goree Island, which by some accounts was the center of the Atlantic slave trade.

The Obamas were given a tour of the salmon-colored House of Slaves where Africans were held before being sold into slavery. The president then peered out into the vast Atlantic through the Door of No Return, where shackled men, women and children left Africa, inching across a plank to the hull of a waiting ship.

"Obviously, for an African-American, an African-American president, to be able to visit this site, I think, gives me even greater motivation in terms of human rights around the world," Obama said after his tour.

The president's stop on Goree Island was the first of two visits on the trip highlighting racial change in Africa. The second is scheduled for Sunday at South Africa's Robben Island, where Mandela spent 18 of his 27 years in prison.

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Associated Press writer Nedra Pickler, Rukmini Callimachi and Robbie Corey-Boulet in Dakar contributed to this report.

a, to ovo je od važnosti za svetsku gej populaciju. bush je u tome isti kao onaj senegalski despot koji perverzno i bez veze s mozgom zamjenjuje teze i obične dekriminalizacije homoseksualnosti s postojanjem smrtne kazne u SAD-u (što je opet legacy repukeblikanaca, ne Obame), a Obama se u po porijeklu "svojoj" afričkoj sredini bori za znatnije poboljšavanje položaja gejeva!
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By Denni85
#2555025
Mislim, stvarno je naporno čitati tako dugačak post, ovo je ipak forum gde ljudi dodju da se opuste, ono neobavezno caskanje o svemu i svačemu. Bolje je pisati kratke i jasne postove, najbolje na maternjem jeziku forumaša, he :molise:
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By Stripi
#2555047
@Veljo - da, Bush bi vjerojatno jeo bananu i plesao kao majmun, miusleći da će to crncima bit baš kesno, no to bi od Busha i očekivali.
Od Obame smo očekivali puno veće stvari, ipak.
A on ostao na Bushevom repu.
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By Vel boy
#2555104
pa, nije ostao na bushevom repu ako radi, a radi, stvari za koje u uskoumnom bushevom mozgu nije bilo mjesta. bushevi simpatizeri šire homomržnju i heteroseksizam po Africi i svijetu (pročitati moje informativne priloge o pohodima ajmeričkog "christian right"a po svijetu u Queer/lgbt vesti iz sveta), a Obama širi svijest o potrebi za poštovanjem različitosti i ljudskopravni diverzitet.
to nikako nije isto niti slično.
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By Stripi
#2555128
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