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By Mars
#2677757
Otprilike.

Apsolutno ih podržavam u ideji da se ne vakcinišu.
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By Anhedonie
#2677864
ja sam cuo da je destilovana voda najbolja voda jer je to h2o a sve ostalo ima dodatke koji truju organizam i ruse njegove vibracije!!!!!!!
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By blenta
#2677900
destilovana voda nije prirodna i to nie bozxije
destilovana voda je posast sa zapada koju su oni pustili iz labaratorie
By barni
#2677902
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677859#p2677859]blenta napisao:[/url]barni zaustavi se
Kontraidikacije postoje i razlikuju se jer imuni sistem svakog deteta i coveka se razlikuje, on je programiran i radjas se njim, i ne reagujemo svi isto na vakcine.
Jedna od tih vakcina koje se daju deci se povezuje sa porastom broja autisticne dece.
Imas slucajeve gde roditelji tuze bolnice jer su im deca obolela od cerebralne paralize posle primanja polio vakcine.
Znam jedan slucaj, pricao mi oboleli od cerebralne paralize, sada ima 42g oko 10% ostecenja mozga, ona prica sa jambom koju sam ispricao.
On tvrdi i njegova majka da je to njemu od vakcine koju je primio kao beba.
Dijagnozu je dobio posle nekog vremena od vakcinacije, al nisam pitao koja vakcina.
Do pre 10 godina lekari su prepisivali antibiotike ko vitamine, kupovali se ko zvake slobodno u apoteci.Vidis danas to nije moguce jer antibiotici dugorocno slabe imuni sistem i telo postaje jos podloznije virusima i stetnim bakterijama.
Vidis kako medicina i farmacija funkcionisu.
Pitanje je sta ce za 50 godina ispasti od vakcinacija.
Olako se sve to daje, ko da je covek bure pa sipaj u njega.
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By svemirskimajmun
#2677904
a sto nisi poslusao blentu?

necu da tvrdim nista jer stvarno nisam strucan u ovakim stvarima verujem da ovde ima ljudi koji jesu, ali ne znam ni da li ce da vredi da se umesaju

barni i ja mogu da tvrdim da mi zbog vakcine sad pala knjiga sa police..to sto cu ja da tvrdim da je uzrok pada moje knjige vakcina ne znaci da to stvarno jeste tako
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samo zato sto se nesto javlja pre odredjenog dogadjaja ne znaci da mu je uzrok
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By Anhedonie
#2677905
[url=http://gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677900#p2677900]blenta napisao:[/url]destilovana voda nije prirodna i to nie bozxije
destilovana voda je posast sa zapada koju su oni pustili iz labaratorie
izveeni ali pojma nemas

destilovana voda je voda koju piju isus i andjeli i zato tako lepo pevaju. to je zato sto voda kad nastane u oblaku ona je cista a tamo su isusi i onda padne i prodje kroz zemlju i ode do djavola a on nam vrati i mi pijemo takvu vodu uzasssss
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By svemirskimajmun
#2677906
haha anhe poceo sam da se smejem sam u sobi naglas..zaustavi se i ti
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By blenta
#2677908
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677902#p2677902]barni napisao:[/url]
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677859#p2677859]blenta napisao:[/url]barni zaustavi se
Kontraidikacije postoje i razlikuju se jer imuni sistem svakog deteta i coveka se razlikuje, on je programiran i radjas se njim, i ne reagujemo svi isto na vakcine.
Jedna od tih vakcina koje se daju deci se povezuje sa porastom broja autisticne dece.
Imas slucajeve gde roditelji tuze bolnice jer su im deca obolela od cerebralne paralize posle primanja polio vakcine.
Znam jedan slucaj, pricao mi oboleli od cerebralne paralize, sada ima 42g oko 10% ostecenja mozga, ona prica sa jambom koju sam ispricao.
On tvrdi i njegova majka da je to njemu od vakcine koju je primio kao beba.
Dijagnozu je dobio posle nekog vremena od vakcinacije, al nisam pitao koja vakcina.
Do pre 10 godina lekari su prepisivali antibiotike ko vitamine, kupovali se ko zvake slobodno u apoteci.Vidis danas to nije moguce jer antibiotici dugorocno slabe imuni sistem i telo postaje jos podloznije virusima i stetnim bakterijama.
Vidis kako medicina i farmacija funkcionisu.
Pitanje je sta ce za 50 godina ispasti od vakcinacija.
Olako se sve to daje, ko da je covek bure pa sipaj u njega.
Barni, zaustavi se

"
On 28 February 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a British gastroenterologist, and colleagues [1] published a paper in The Lancet that described 8 children whose first symptoms of autism appeared within 1 month after receiving an MMR vaccine. All 8 of these children had gastrointestinal symptoms and signs and lymphoid nodular hyperplasia revealed on endoscopy. From these observations, Wakefield postulated that MMR vaccine caused intestinal inflammation that led to translocation of usually nonpermeable peptides to the bloodstream and, subsequently, to the brain, where they affected development.

Several issues undermine the interpretation by Wakefield et al. [1] of this case series. First, the self-referred cohort did not include control subjects, which precluded the authors from determining whether the occurrence of autism following receipt of MMR vaccine was causal or coincidental. Because ∼50,000 British children per month received MMR vaccine between ages 1 and 2 years—at a time when autism typically presents—coincidental associations were inevitable. Indeed, given the prevalence of autism in England in 1998 of 1 in 2000 children [2], ∼25 children per month would receive a diagnosis of the disorder soon after receiving MMR vaccine by chance alone. Second, endoscopic or neuropsychological assessments were not blind, and data were not collected systematically or completely. Third, gastrointestinal symptoms did not predate autism in several children, which is inconsistent with the notion that intestinal inflammation facilitated bloodstream invasion of encephalopathic peptides. Fourth, measles, mumps, or rubella vaccine viruses have not been found to cause chronic intestinal inflammation or loss of intestinal barrier function. Indeed, a recent study by Hornig et al. [3] found that the measles vaccine virus genome was not detected more commonly in children with or without autism. Fifth, putative encephalopathic peptides traveling from the intestine to the brain have never been identified. In contrast, the genes that have been associated with autism spectrum disorder to date have been found to code for endogenous proteins that influence neuronal synapse function, neuronal cell adhesion, neuronal activity regulation, or endosomal trafficking [4].

Although no data supporting an association between MMR vaccine and autism existed and a plausible biological mechanism was lacking, several epidemiologic studies were performed to address parental fears created by the publication by Wakefield et al. [1] (table 1). Fortunately, several features of large-scale vaccination programs allowed for excellent descriptive and observational studies—specifically, large numbers of subjects, which generated substantial statistical power; high-quality vaccination records, which provided reliable historical data; multinational use of similar vaccine constituents and schedules; electronic medical records, which facilitated accurate analysis of outcome data; and the relatively recent introduction of MMR vaccine in some countries, which allowed for before and after comparisons.
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Conclusions

Twenty epidemiologic studies have shown that neither thimerosal nor MMR vaccine causes autism. These studies have been performed in several countries by many different investigators who have employed a multitude of epidemiologic and statistical methods. The large size of the studied populations has afforded a level of statistical power sufficient to detect even rare associations. These studies, in concert with the biological implausibility that vaccines overwhelm a child's immune system, have effectively dismissed the notion that vaccines cause autism. Further studies on the cause or causes of autism should focus on more-promising leads.
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:pilence:
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By blenta
#2677910
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677905#p2677905]Anhedonie napisao:[/url]
[url=http://gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677900#p2677900]blenta napisao:[/url]destilovana voda nije prirodna i to nie bozxije
destilovana voda je posast sa zapada koju su oni pustili iz labaratorie
izveeni ali pojma nemas

destilovana voda je voda koju piju isus i andjeli i zato tako lepo pevaju. to je zato sto voda kad nastane u oblaku ona je cista a tamo su isusi i onda padne i prodje kroz zemlju i ode do djavola a on nam vrati i mi pijemo takvu vodu uzasssss

gl00pacxo, nemoj da me eespravljas, za tebe sam 0str0g
eesus je pretxvarao vodu u vino a ne u destilaceeyu
zatxo ja samo peeyem veeno i zato se kazxe in vinas veritas

vrati se u skolu da proceetas bibliju
:ubise:
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By blenta
#2677911
inace:

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By Anhedonie
#2677914
"ima i slucaj" vs "statisticki je dokazano"

hmmmmmmmmmmm

sta li je pouzdanije

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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By Anhedonie
#2677915
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#2677916
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677913#p2677913]barni napisao:[/url]http://www.srbijadanas.net/prica-majke- ... r-vakcini/

Ima i slucaj iz Italije gde su roditelji dobili sudski spor za isti slucaj.
Potrazi.
To su price ljudi koji postoje i njihovo iskustvo sa vakcinom.

Vidis do su posledice kad se medicina igra sa uzorcima, statistikom.
Ne valja to.
ovo moram da kvotujem da ne nestane iako sam odmah ispod
dakle jedan lik koji nije istrazivac napise rad u kome kaze vakcine = autizam

rad se izanalizira i zakljucak bude da nije validan zbog gomile problematicnih zameni tezi i nevalidnim testovima i izmanipulisanom statistikom

i za benefit of the doubt neobrazovanih morona koji se plase da ce ih vakcina povrediti
jer su oni bas specijalni napravi se dodatnih 39 studija preko vise zemalja sa hardkor kontrolama i zakljucak je da ne posotji veza izmedju vakcina i autizma

i onda se ti pojavis sa zenom iz srbija danas a postoji i neka keva i u italiji cak

Barni, zaustavi se :kuckuc:
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By blenta
#2677917
makar je u skladu sa temom
bas je verski izliv mozga i taj rezon hendlovanja realnosti
By barni
#2677918
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677904#p2677904]svemirskimajmun napisao:[/url]a sto nisi poslusao blentu?

necu da tvrdim nista jer stvarno nisam strucan u ovakim stvarima verujem da ovde ima ljudi koji jesu, ali ne znam ni da li ce da vredi da se umesaju

barni i ja mogu da tvrdim da mi zbog vakcine sad pala knjiga sa police..to sto cu ja da tvrdim da je uzrok pada moje knjige vakcina ne znaci da to stvarno jeste tako
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imas i cuvani primer:
pijani naucnik zeli da utvrdi sta ga cini pijanim i belezi
-dan jedan : sok od jabuke i pivo
-dan dva: sok od jabuke i votka
-dan tri: sok od jabuke i vino
itd itd
dakle sok od jabuke ga cini pijanim
-------------------------------------------------------------------

samo zato sto se nesto javlja pre odredjenog dogadjaja ne znaci da mu je uzrok
Alkohol nije zdrav ni da ga je pio sa medom.
Kapiras?
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By svemirskimajmun
#2677919
promasio si ponetu posta..ne znam ni sto se trudim
zakljucak je kao i svuda bio na kraju:"samo zato sto se nesto javlja pre odredjenog dogadjaja ne znaci da mu je uzrok"

tu je upravo i stvar, sto je alkohol uzrok a 'naucnik' je zakljucio da je sok od jabuke
...i sad shvatih na koliko pogresan nacin to ovo mozes da ukapiras

ja nekad ne znam da li ti ovde po forumu stvarno trolujes, tvoja logika je uvek ista "cika Boza mi reko da je tako i to je to"
da li tebi stvarno 'dokaz' da je vakcina stetna izgleda validno? ako trolujes molim te u private msg mi posalji da znam da se ne mucim
By barni
#2677920
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677914#p2677914]Anhedonie napisao:[/url]"ima i slucaj" vs "statisticki je dokazano"

hmmmmmmmmmmm

sta li je pouzdanije

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ono izmedju,
Hocu da kazem da se te vakcine daju olako bez toga da poznajemo imuni sistem osobe.
Jbt kad se sisas pa ti frizer merka glavu da te ne unakazi iako ti kosa naraste za 2 meseca ti dramis sta ti od glave uradio.

Nisam nigde napisao da se to treba zabraniti vec da se ne moze gledati na davanje vakcina deci kao kad stavljas etikete na proizvod.
Stvar nije crno-bela.
I jedan slucaj da se pojavi sa kontraidikacijom dokazuje to.
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By svemirskimajmun
#2677921
ja ocu da se udam za tebe, jesi zainteresovan?
edit: ti odaberi crkvu
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By blenta
#2677924
Barni, majmun je hteo da ti kaze da cinis logical fallacy
koji se zove correlation / causality swap

cuveni primer je studija od pre par decenija koja je tvrdila da ljudi koji cesce peru zube
imaju manje problema sa srcanim bolestima
sto naravno nema veze jedno s drugim
ali je vrlo verovatno da ljudi koji cesto peru zube imaju jacu svest glede zdravih navika
i vise vode racuna o zdravlju
te se mimo cesceg pranja vode racuna o sijaset drugih direktnih faktora rizika

ergo u njegovom primeru postojala je korelacija izmedju jabuke i pijanstva ali ne i kauzalnost

a ti si sad fejlovao svoju ulogu
da si bio dosledan svom liku i delu odnosno onome sta tvrdis u ovoj raspravi triba si reci:
"jednom sam igrao tablic sa momkom koji je izgubio obe noge od promrzlina kad je ostao zarobljen u budimkinoj hladnjaci sa litarskim pakovanjima soka od jabuke. unutra je bio 4 puna dana i kako bi proziveo pio je bogat vodom i secerom budimkin sok od jabuke *dzingl*. njegova vencana kuma mi je rekla da on i danas proklinje budimku i sto nije ostao zarobljen u hladnjaci sa manjim pakovanjima, jer ga je taj sok kostao nogu. da je ostao u praznoj hladnjaci ne bi preziveo, no danas bi ima' noge."
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By blenta
#2677925
a to sto ti govori se usvaja u visim razredima osnovne skole
predvidjeno planom i programom
za prosecno pa cak i potprosecno dete

btw
poenta gomiletine uzasno skupih istrazivanja, testiranja, eksperimenata, studija ....

i jeste u tome da se apsolutno sazna sve do najsitnijeg detalja moguce i rizik minimizira
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By svemirskimajmun
#2677926
barni svidja ti se to moje usvajanje ponasanja, a?
znaci u Sabornoj?
By barni
#2677927
[url=http://www.gay-serbia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2677924#p2677924]blenta napisao:[/url]Barni, majmun je hteo da ti kaze da cinis logical fallacy
koji se zove correlation / causality swap

cuveni primer je studija od pre par decenija koja je tvrdila da ljudi koji cesce peru zube
imaju manje problema sa srcanim bolestima
sto naravno nema veze jedno s drugim
ali je vrlo verovatno da ljudi koji cesto peru zube imaju jacu svest glede zdravih navika
i vise vode racuna o zdravlju
te se mimo cesceg pranja vode racuna o sijaset drugih direktnih faktora rizika

ergo u njegovom primeru postojala je korelacija izmedju jabuke i pijanstva ali ne i kauzalnost

a ti si sad fejlovao svoju ulogu
da si bio dosledan svom liku i delu odnosno onome sta tvrdis u ovoj raspravi triba si reci:
"jednom sam igrao tablic sa momkom koji je izgubio obe noge od promrzlina kad je ostao zarobljen u budimkinoj hladnjaci sa litarskim pakovanjima soka od jabuke. unutra je bio 4 puna dana i kako bi proziveo pio je bogat vodom i secerom budimkin sok od jabuke *dzingl*. njegova vencana kuma mi je rekla da on i danas proklinje budimku i sto nije ostao zarobljen u hladnjaci sa manjim pakovanjima, jer ga je taj sok kostao nogu. da je ostao u praznoj hladnjaci ne bi preziveo, no danas bi ima' noge."
Znas da postoje ljudi koji nikada u zivotu nisu oprali zube a belji im od tvojih a zadah nemaju?
Vidis ja od toga polazim a to je izvan dejstva tvoje i majmunove centrifuge, ja tu necu ulaziti pa cemo se tesko razumeti jer ni vama se ne ide napolje iz toga.
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By blenta
#2677928
moj post: pravis ovu logicku gresku, evo ti primer da lakse shvatis

zubi - srce / zdrave navike

tvoj odgovor:

postoji: zubi - druga nerelevantna veza sa necim trecim, sto nije pravilo no izuzetak, aha!
ali... to je izvan tvoje moci da shvatis


si ti neki logicki hipster? :turban:

Barni, zaustavi se!
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